Despite the problems the bio-turkey biz has been having with bird flu and all, It’s been a boom year of raising gearhead type turkeys. Heck, the turkeys we used to get were definitely free range and even kinda gamy, these days there crankin’ out so many mechanical turkeys that they must have dozens of multi acre factory farms with conveyor belt feeders (and similarly mechanized manure disposal) to crank ’em out. But Gearhead Grrrl is up to the challenge… Got the hundred foot long oven conveyor belt fed oven of an abandoned Hostess bakery fired up, and the flour and sugar bins are filled with the trimmings, which will be delivered via 120 PSI pneumatic tubes. Good thing, because they raised some really big turkeys this year!
First in the oven is VW’s chief protaganist, the California Air Resourses Board, better know as CARB, especially amongst those too young to know what a carb is. VW today gifted us bloggers with a pre holiday weekend news dump, reporting that they’ve figured out how to make their last generation Euro diesels street legal with nothing more than software and a little agitating screen that goes in the air intake. Those are the dirtiest VW diesels subject to recall, so looks like the newer generation can get legal with just software updates… Everywhere but in the USA, and especially not in the land of CARB! VW can pull that off because Europe has staged their emissions requirements with increasing stringency, and they reward early adopters who go beyond the regs with road tax reductions. Thus those older generation VW diesels only had to meet Euro4 and Euro5 emissions standards. CARB and their more mellow Fed counterpart the EPA instead cranked up the standards in 2007, and then cranked them up again a few years later. That means a 2009 VW diesel with 300,000 miles on the clock will in the land of CARB have to be retrofitted with thousands of dollars worth of hardware to get legal, or bought back and at least removed from California in whole or parts for thousands more. But for an agency with an unelected board that is in love with electric cars and a better than half billion dollar budget to express that love, would you expect anything less?
Next up is a tough old bird, VW. Now I love VW, but that love is starting to get me concerned… Is their arrogant emissions cheat symptomatic of cheating or just general arrogance elsewhere in the only manufacturer to join the oil and energy company’s in the short list of the globe’s ten biggest corporations? Strip away the VW emblem and translate from german to english, and VW looks a lot like GM before the fall. I mean, do we really need VW, Audi, Skoda, SEAT, etc. versions of the Golf? And why buy Scania over the protests of Swedish shareholders, when they already owned competitor MAN and there were little opportunities for synergy? And what has VW in common with Ducati?… Methinks the Ducati cognoscenti will not be thrilled with a diesel sportbike. Then there’s the brand killing “badge engineering” If I wanted an SUV, I wouldn’t waste my time in a Porsche showroom. OK, maybe we’ll show VW some mercy, provided they sweat off some arrogance and the bloat of too many models and brands as they approach the heat of the oven.
Nobody’s gonna starve, we got plenty of turkeys left…
BMW and HOG(NYSE) in true turkey style make a lot of noise and run around like crazy with total meaninglessness, but they’re both small enough to ride through the oven side by side. Both rely on a decades old image which explains why their buyers tend to be in their last decade or two of life, and both produce bleeding edge esoteric or obsolete bikes that riders who haven’t drunk the relevant “koolaid” have no interest in. May as well send Harley to the oven, as their corporate life expectancy is pretty much tied to their aging customers, and Harley’s end ain’t gonna be pretty. BMW has a million car a year company to cover for them, but what happens when they have to sell those million cars a year at Chevy prices to move’em?
Half ton pickups… OK, we had to smash the roofs down a bit to fit ’em in the oven, but heck they were pretty useless anyways. The couple million a year sales of half ton pickups are a glaring example of how inadequate too many Americans basic education in science and physics is. This is easy math that can almost be done without taking off shoes… A half ton Chevy/GMC pickup usually comes with seating for six, and tends to sell to a rather plump demographic, and is rated for a whole 1400 pounds of payload, So assuming it’s before thanksgiving dinner, those half dozen 200 pound average folks have only 200 pounds of capacity left… Which they promptly fill with 400 pounds of turkeys, trimmings, cases of beer, oxygen bottles, a snowblower, and the leftover ammo from deer camp. Then they hook on the six place snowmobile trailer with no brakes. Is it any wonder that in Consumer Reports latest reliability survey, the 3/4 and 1 ton Chevy/GMC pickups score much better than the half tons?
Next up… *$#! tools! Look at some century old tools in a museum, and it’s obvious that “interchangeable parts” was only a vague concept then, so the dimensional accuracy of a wrench didn’t matter much, ’cause the dimensional accuracy of the fasteners to be wrenched left a lot to be desired anyway. The latter half of the last century was the golden age of tools, with top quality and accurate tools widely available at affordable prices. Today, it’s a race to the bottom… As hand tools as well as impact sockets suddenly become “wear items”. The old Hostess bakery oven could only manage 600 degrees max in it’s heyday, but these tools are made of such pot metal that I’ll have to turn down the oven a bit so they don’t melt.
Craptastic scooters, sidecars. “motorcycles”. etc…. Back before the internet, you had to have a network of at least shabby sheds if not brick and motor stores to sell motor vehicles. Thanks to the miracle of the internet a sleazy 3rd world maker of this junk can sell them online, ship them here by the container load, and deliver them to hapless customers without even the aforementioned CARB, never mind consumer protection agencies, being any the wiser. How bad are they… Well, there’s a reason why craigslist.com is full of ’em!
Electric cars… After decades of promotion by CARB and billions in subsidies, they got a whole .1% share of the market. They accomplish nothing but moving their pollution from little tailpipes to big coal fired power plants… It’s time to pull the plug and dispatch these turkeys to the oven!
With the exception of… The Postal Service! They’re shrinking the list of potential suppliers for a mere hundred thousand plus replacements for their aging little LLV vans. Covering an average of something on the order of five whole miles a day and returning to local Post Offices every night, they’re one of the few applications where electric propulsion makes sense. And all those “green” congressman and senators who appropriate those billions in electric car subsidies will be happy to share them with the Postal Service, which given the red ink on their balance sheets is probably a good thing. But Noooo… The Postal Service is digging themselves a bigger grave, shopping for an even bigger UPS step van sized truck, tall enough to stand up in too… Good luck finding enough batteries for that!
Well, this old bakery’s probably gonna get torn down anyway, so may as well crank the oven up to the max, cause we never want to see this turkey again! Ever here of a middle eastern trucking company called ISIS? Yup, same outfit you see on the nightly news. Now I wouldn’t expect much in the way of intelligent management from any outfit that fights over barren desert turf anyways, but ISIS’ logistics strategy is as bad as you’d expect from an outfit whose PR strategy consists of televised executions. Now you’d think they’d take a hint from their Somali pirate brethren, and become crude “third party logistics providers” on a shipload scale. But no, much of ISIS terror is funded by stealing oil and not even hauling it in overloaded trucks… Instead they crudely transport their oily loot in thousands of gas cans and dangerous hidden tanks in cars and vans, the work done by thousands of literally oil drenched workers in near slavery conditions. ISIS, you’re outa here!
“Electric cars… After decades of promotion by CARB and billions in subsidies, they got a whole .1% share of the market”
According to InsideEVs, this year EV sales are about 110,000 units, in a market
of about 7.5 million cars sold. That makes EVs about 1.3% of new car sales.
Now granted 100K units isn’t huge, and 1% isn’t a major market segment,
but it’s about 13X what you wrote.
Your hatred for EV’s is pathological, and really interferes with your ability to
write effectively on the subject. It may be better for you to not write at all on the subject.
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
I was using the numbers for “cars”, which in the North American market includes SUVs, pickups, and vans used as cars. I don’t like it, but those often gross “cars” are half the “car” market, and have to be reckoned with. I have no hatred for electrics, pathalogical or otherwise… I am just tired of continuing tax subsidies for a losing technology that at best is being misapplied. Come up with a practical application like converting the Postal Service LLV fleet to electrics and you’ll have my support.
Even if you include Trucks, you are off by 10X on your numbers…
Comparing a 4 seater compact to a pickup truck is just ridiculous. You should know better.
Talking abut “Tax Subsidies”… The fossil fuel industry gets all sorts of “Tax Subsidies”, you would know that, if you weren’t so busy hating on EVs…
As for EV Postal Vans, i’m all in favor of that, frankly the USPS should be 100% renewable. geothermal heating, EV vehicles, PV solar panels….
But that decision is outside my pay grade.
I’m driving a Chevy Volt, it’s running 80% electric, which to me, is an EV providing 80% of my needs, hardly a losing technology…
Now sure, you are in South Dakota, and it’s 75 miles to go get a gallon of milk and 300 miles if you want a newspaper with actual news that was printed in the last decade,
but you aren’t the center of the automobile market. The center of the auto market is all those people grinding their way around the DC beltway, with the 32 mile commutes to work and back..
Stop viewing the world as rotating around your little corner of west nowhere Dakota and you may see something.
Pat, you sound kinda bitter… I know it’s been tough in the electric car world what with cheap gas and all, but that ain’t gonna last forever. The downsides of electric cars are pretty obvious- half the life of a conventional car, limited range, etc.. If a miracle battery ever comes along and changes that, I’ll jump on the bandwagen. As for comparing cars to pickups, my apologies to the cars for being associated with such half ton lemons, especially the Chevys. And yes, we do consider electric cars and their limited range a threat to our rural way of life- That 75 mile trip to Costco shouldn’t take all weekend.
You appear to be living in a rather special part of the world from the major market…
1) Cheap gas… Okay.. the average cost of running on gas is about 12 cents for the gas, the IRS still lets you deduct 49 cents/ mile…. My chevy Volt rolls around on 3-4 cents per mile of electricity and that oil change every two years ain’t no thing. 50K miles and I still have the original brake pads, so, my ops costs aren’t bad.
2) Half the life of a conventional car, i guess that depends upon what you consider ‘life’.. Sure if you are still driving around in some 1952 chevy pickup with a railroad tie on the front end, but for those of us in the modern era, most cars are good for 10 years. After that the economic ops costs isn’t worth keeping it rolling, things like broken secondary systems make them unaffordable..
3) Limited range, I guess you aren’t that good at reading comprehension, I drive a Chevy Volt, so i’m able to hop on 95 and get to Norfolk on a tank of gas, so, i’m pretty happy with the range.
Yes, your 75 mile drive down to the corner store is a pretty extreme challenge, so all 5000 of you in south dakota have a different set of mission requirements from the 300 million americans living on the coastal plains. Yes, it’s South Dakota so it’s often times 40 Below zero and it’s 75 miles just for you to go get gas, and yes, you probably are in 4WD mode banging it out on gravel/dirt tracks for the first 15 miles. So the population of South Dakota will have to buy VW Amaroks, so you can haul diesel back to your homestead…
However, don’t complain as the market leaves you further behind.
By the way, how are you posting this? 14K dialup modem? running over the fence barbed wire?
Pat, it’s fun giving you enough megabytes to hang yourself with your urban stereotypes of rural folks, but it’d be cruel not to correct you. I’m writing this from the edge of the Everglades, and most any electric would suffice to get you around this joke of a metro area known as Naples. Getting to MIA or the Fort Myers airport to escape this tropical hell would be a destination too far for most electric cars though, and a dead electric car on the shoulder of Alligator Alley might not end well.
As for my more normal abode on the Buffalo Ridge in Minnesota, it’s 7 miles to a weekly paper, gas, and overpriced food and hardware. A 20 mile drive gets you to three hardware stores, a big box home improvement store, Walmart, not quite so overpriced groceries, a university, and a daily paper. 70 miles get you to the bustling metropolis of Sioux Falls which has Costco, competing hospital chains, and just about anything else a body would need. All of these destinations can be reached entirely by paved roads if you choose.
That means that a Volt has barely enough range to make it to the Walmart or back to the Chevy dealer for repairs, where I’m sure the service department will be happy to ritually curse it before the junior tech gets to don his high voltage PPE and try to heal it. So yes, I could limp around with a Volt, though any trip beyond the town of three hardware stores would turn the expensive electric propulsion system into efficiency killing dead weight. At normal car half life of ten years or so the batteries would be pretty much dead weight all the time, as the Volt struggles into it’s second decade of life with uncertain support from GM and a whole bunch of road salt infested electrics to go wrong. Meanwhile, my 13 year old TDI just keeps on plugging along, I use it for most of my local trips when I can’t ride the bikes, but I see few decade or more old hybrids still on the road.
Electrics are a nice fantasy, and the Volt is almost believable… But most of us don’t make enough money to take advantage of the tax credits, and most of us can’t even afford new cars anymore, and even a decade old electric car is on it’s deathbed, about to become the automotive equivalent of a “bricked” iDevice that’s just outa warranty. So why should we pay twice the price for an electric car with half the useful life of a conventional car?
Spending your winters in rural florida and Summers in Rural minnesota, doesn’t make you part of mainstream america. 85% of the american population lives in about 40 Metropolitican Statistical Areas. So yeah, the 15%, are dealing with a fairly different reality, but if you want to make money selling cars, do you design and market for the 85% or the 15%?
You go 70 miles one way to get to a costco, i can go 5 and get to two. Oh, BTW, both of those are jam packed from open to close, enough that they have to have lot techs directing traffic. As for big box Home Improvement stores, I get to 2 within 5 miles and 7 within 15. I also have 2 old fashioned hardware stores within a mile.
So we can do three errands before we even start to wonder if the battery range is an issue.
as for range, well, a surprising number of places are adding Level 2 chargers letting me double my effective range. The GF’s favorite place to go get coffee with her friends is 28 miles away, but they have Level 2 chargers, so by the time she’s done catching up, so has the battery, and she can make an all electric run there and back in december…
as for lifespan, well my Volt is 4 years old with 53K on the clock. Let’s see how it does.
At the core of it, it’s just a jumped up Prius. Higher voltage battery, bigger electric motor,
higher regen rate controllers, and an AC input to charge the batteries.
I remember in 1999, 2002, cranky old farts and AM talk radio idiots saying “You have to replace the battery in a prius every 5 years and that’s $8K”… well, i look at a lot of
older Prii, and i ask these drivers “Have you changed the battery?”… I occasionally,
stop by the Toyota dealer and ask the techs hanging around if they sell a lot of traction batteries…
As for Uncertain support by GM, GM, just rolled out the Gen 2 Volt, which is way nicer then the Gen 1, 52 MPG on the gas engine and 50 miles of electric range and this week, GM is unveiling the Bolt, their entry level Electric…. GM looks at Tesla, looks at Nissan
and is looking at BMW… You remember BMW? They make something called cars? not just motorcycles… They sell the i3 and i8 and are rolling out the i5.
The BMW guys, who obviously don’t know squat about cars, motorcycles or mechanical things, are ending the design cycle of their gasoline engines.. You heard that? Some bit player out of bavaria is selling their gasoline engine factories and betting the company
on battery… Well, what do you expect from a bunch of bavarians…..
http://www.baronfunds.com/News-Commentary/Library/Quarterly-Reports/2014/Quarterly-Report-93014.pdf/
” The BMW financial team believes a revolution in drive train is underway. We
believe that BMW will likely phase out internal combustion engines over the next
10 years!”
You can make fun of GM and the Volt all you want, which puts you on the same side
as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glen Beck or you can look around at Nissan,
BMW, Volvo, and BTW Honda is licensing the Voltec drivetrain for a new sedan…
Let’s see who is pushing Electrics? Bob Lutz who fathered the Volt and VIA motors,
Big Daddy, Don Garlits who is building a 200 MPH rail Dragster, Monster Tajima who
drove an EV to 2nd place at Pikes Peak this year… Who came in First? Rhys Millen driving another EV…. Ah but what do they know about EVs and failing technology,
compared to Glenn Beck, Tyler Durden and You….
as for tax credits, well, I have lots of friends who leased their volts, got the credit wrapped into the lease. Me, I bought mine used. The best tax credit is one someone else did the paperwork on.
So given I bought my Volt for 15K, and traded my Honda for 8, it really didn’t cost me that much.
spend more time in Miami at south beach and spend less time breathing diesel fumes.
Electric vehicle sales drop for 2015: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-06/plug-in-electric-vehicles-left-behind-in-u-s-autos-record-year
You dredge up a lot of questionable “facts”, and I haven’t time to dispose of them all now. EV sales are down, and the 100k vehicle a year market that remains can’t support three major products, and maybe can’t support even one luxury EV. I’m quite familiar with SMSA’s, and some of them are huge, over one hundred miles across… You could kill most electric cars batteries just driving across one. BTW, I live in a micropolitan area, and electrics are useless there too, it’s 50+ miles from corner to corner unless you’re flying. As for BMW going all electric, motorcycles might be the market where electrics make a breakthrough, as the batteries are light enough to be easily swapped. But while BMW makes an electric scooter, their newest model is ICE powered.
You really need to reexamine the electric car paradyme and your blind loyalty to it. I’m not wed to diesels, when I did the numbers before I bought the last diesel it barely won out over gas, and electrics weren’t even in the running. When I go new car shopping again around 2023 I suspect the numbers will favor gas, and electrics will probably have been years off the market.
You sound so breathless over these sales numbers, maybe you could do a guest spot on Limbaugh…. But if you look at the 2015 number break down, you see december taking off almost double what January did..
http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
It helps that in 2016, the Volt and Leaf underwent major refresh, so the sales trickled out as people slowed to await the next generation. Even Tesla underwent a big down slope as people waited for the 70D and 90D….
You seem to have some idea, that only 100,000 buyers would ever buy an EV..
As if the market for EV’s is limited to Vegan, Feminists in Berkeley…
I’ll tell you a little secret… EV’s are just horking fun to drive. Let’s see if you are honest enough to take a Tesla p90D out for a test drive in Insanity mode… How about this,
are you actually willing to take a 2016 Volt out for a test drive in sport mode? Probably not. Angry bitter enders like to sit around the camp fire complaining about how much better things were in the 60’s before that durn EPA ruined cars….
as for SMSA, some are big, like LA and Houston, but lots of them aren’t. The DC, Philly, NY Boroughs… BTW, where did the requirement come from that a car must be able to drive across the SMSA? The general market requirement is that a car should be able to service 90-95% of a owners trips. The Gen 1 volt had a battery pack sized to 80% of all trips. Now it’s at 90%… If you can charge at work, that’s close to 95%…..
As for your SMSA, i don’t think anyone would ever consider the Buffalo ridge to be anything like the MSA’s of Chicago, or Detroit or Philly…
You have 60,000 people living in 6 counties across the Buffalo Ridge. We’ve got that more people living in my city council district.
BTW, take a look around GM just announced specs on their all electric 4 seaters,
200+ Mile range.
You sound like these right wing keyboard commando’s when the EV’s first came out

I hate to break it to you, but, you are living in the past…
Take a look, in 2011, Tech Review, a magazine for a bunch of smart people ( You know MIT?)
https://www.technologyreview.es/printer_friendly_article.aspx?id=39220
“Electric vehicles are still too expensive and have too many limitations to compete with regular cars, except in a few niche markets”
Sounds just like you….
except they projected forward, and they were really sure that batteries would be $450/KWH. That meant that a car with a 210 mile range, would need a $30K battery pack. Sounds a lot like that 40K battery pack coming out of a tesla…
Except what is happening in Battery costs?
Some company called GM, screwed up and published their actual battery costs,
it’s about $145/KWH… headed down hard…
So, a car with a 200 Mile Electric range and a 70 KWH battery pack, well thats’ a 10K battery pack. A rational price for selling a car with a price tag in the middle 30s…
That also means that Tesla is actually selling their Model S in the 90K region for something that’s costing them about 40K… That’s a pretty good gross margin to work with
and it explains why the Majors are building EVs…
You still think an EV is a golf cart with a 20K battery pack that lasts 5 years.
The rate of change of technology means that all opinions don’t last more then 6 months.
I fully expect you won’t take a Tesla or a volt out for a test drive, but, reality is still out there. Hey you are in Florida, take a swing by the Garlits Museum, check out Swamp Rat 37. it’s a little north of the Everglades… Maybe you can tell Don Garlits that he’s working on Failing technology….
Meanwhile if you want to swing by the drag strip here in Maryland, we can bring a half dozen EVs to stand up against whatever you roll in on…
Sorry Pat, but you can’t change reality… EVs are a shrinking niche market, despite years of subsidies. And I don’t dispute that EVs can be fast, but why should I spend nearly a six figure sum on a Tesla that’ll probably be a dead orphan in a decade when I can buy a Golf R for a third the price and have the ultimate hot hatch. Call back when you have a battery that costs less than an ICE and has a 20 year life…
“why should I spend nearly a six figure sum on a Tesla”
You really aren’t very good at that Reading Comprehension thing…
You seem to think that Every EV is a 6 figure car, here, i’ll give you a hint.. READ!
http://jalopnik.com/the-chevrolet-bolt-is-exactly-what-tesla-motors-wanted-1751470440
“The Bolt hatchback that Chevy revealed today is the first affordable, practical electric vehicle with a range that’s more attractive to the traditional car buyer, coming in at around $30,000 (after incentives) with a fully electric range of around 200 miles”
but you see, you shouldn’t buy anything, living out in Rural Red America, you should stay with the old, the ancient, the dying…
Where are we in terms of Battery Price and Gas Price?
Gasoline prices are dropping like crazy, Oil prices are dropping like crazy, and Battery prices are dropping 21%/year…
To remain competitive, Oil prices are going to have to stay low, which is slaughtering all that tight oil and tar sands north of you, while battery prices keep dropping.
You’re missing a bunch of other factors that are killing EVs- power density, battery life, etc..
you made some assertion on EV battery life. Can you actually
form a statement on what the problem is in your head?
http://www.wired.com/2016/01/gm-electric-car-chevy-bolt-mary-barra/?mbid=social_fb I would love to see you tell Mary Barra and Pam Fletcher that their “Paradyme” is all screwed up.
Pat, do you realize that you’ve been pouring your heart out for EVs on a months old blog post that’s all but gone dead? And that all EVs accomplish is moving the pollution from the tailpipe to a smokestack?
you really should work for foxnews… You manage to live in a world of half truths, and misinformation….
I will note you make a lot of accusations but can’t actually back up your claims…
You mean someone should be paying me for the drivel I write? Thanks for the compliment! You want a fact… The GM Bolt has a projected range of 200 miles. It’s 70 miles one way to Costco, Mac’s Hardware, etc. and the typical battery warranty is 8 years/70% of capacity. That means when the Bolt is 8 years old if it’s hot or cold or there’s snow or headwinds I’d be sitting on the shoulder of MN 23 waiting for a tow. The Bolt looks a whole lot like the Chevy Sonic, and I can buy one of them for half the price of a Bolt and not have to buy a new battery that’ll cost more than the Bolt is worth to get 20 years use out of the Sonic. Sorry, even a theoretical range of 200 miles doesn’t cut it.
You act like the world revolves around you.
You live way out past hell and gone.
80% of all americans live in real cities. and 50% of all daily trips are under 40 miles round trip…
Yes, I”m sure most people in Alaska would also not want an EV, but, for those of us (Most of us) who live in cities, or close suburbs, 200 miles is plenty of range.
Your RuralPhobia is showing. And a 200 mile range is a real world 100 mile range on a below zero day with an 8 year old battery… 100 miles won’t even get you across most SMSAs, never mind back.
The idea is there will be charging infrastructure building up.
Also you should probably segregate your complaints about SMSAs
The biggest MSA is LA, that’s a monster. It’s also warm year round. Houston and Dallas are big too and they are warm. Seattle is big because the Sound makes it hard to get around but it’s warm.
The only largish cold MSA’s are Chicago, Detroit, NYC but the idea
is that in civilization there will also be charging stations.
Yeah it’s cold the range was sucking down on my Volt today. So i pre-conditioned the battery before i left and oh yeah the Gas Engine started the last mile…. BFD, so I pulled 400 MPG for the trip.
if there were chargers where i had to run my errands i could have made it back on electric.
The truly useful chargers are the high power ones that can deliver KWHs per minute like Tesla has. Problem is they’re expensive as hell so weren’t not seeing many- there’s one 60 miles from my Minnesota digs and I’ve never seen it used. Thus your decision to buy a Volt instead of an electric only car was a wise one, although still much more expensive than a diesel.
My Volt gets somewhere between 180-200 Lifetime MPG, so it’s working quite well for me and it’s a heck of a lot cheaper then a diesel in Ops costs. It’s still on the original brake pads and only the second oil change in 50,000 miles.
It won’t work where you are but it’s 150 miles for you to get to the parts store.